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08.07.08 22:11

15372 Postings, 6099 Tage knetegirl#74 dann beweise

08.07.08 22:13

129861 Postings, 7477 Tage kiiwiitu ich ständig - merkst es nicht ?

mußt jünger werden im Kopp
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kiiwiipedia

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08.07.08 22:15

15372 Postings, 6099 Tage knetegirlNee, hast nicht #72 gelesen ?-

Alle noch zu jung hier -

und letzter Satz war

Da gehts um ganz andere Interessen...

 

08.07.08 22:16

129861 Postings, 7477 Tage kiiwiium welche denn ?

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08.07.08 22:19
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3119 Postings, 5792 Tage gardenqueenkiiwii, hättste mal #72 gelesen... owt

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~ ~  Die Tyrannei begnügt sich nicht, ihr Werk nur halb zu tun  ~ ~

08.07.08 22:23

129861 Postings, 7477 Tage kiiwiiwaffenfähiges Plutonium - meinst das ?

...ach deshalb baut Finnland neue AKWs, verstehe...
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08.07.08 22:31

15372 Postings, 6099 Tage knetegirlwieso nur Finnland ?

08.07.08 22:35
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3119 Postings, 5792 Tage gardenqueeneben, wieso nur Finnland??

Ägypten, Jordanien, Syrien, Algerien, der Libanon, Libyen, Marokko oder Saudi-Arabien...

Eine Atombombe kann auf zwei Wegen entstehen:

  1. Aus dem Isotop Uran (U 235), das im Naturanerz aber nur zu 0,7% enthalten ist. Zum Bombenbau muss es deshalb mittels Gaszentrifugen auf etwa 90% angereichert werden. Je nach Technologie werden für einen Atomwaffensprengsatz 12 - 25 kg hoch angereichertes Uran benötigt.
  2. Aus Plutonium (Pu 239), das aber in der Natur so gut wie nicht vorkommt. Es entsteht, wenn U 238 ein weiteres Neutron einfängt. Dieses lässt sich spalten. Die für einen Atomsprengsatz erforderlichen 5 - 8 kg Plutonium können aus einem Kernreaktor ("Schneller Brüter") oder durch die Wiederaufbereitung abgenutzter Brennstäbe gewonnen werden.
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08.07.08 22:59

3119 Postings, 5792 Tage gardenqueenMacht Kiiwii grad ne Fortbildung?? owt

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08.07.08 23:36

129861 Postings, 7477 Tage kiiwii Finnland, Ägypten, Jordanien, Syrien, Algerien

der Libanon, Libyen, Marokko oder Saudi-Arabien...


...bauen die alle schnelle Brüter ?


selbst Iran muß zentrifugieren...
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kiiwiipedia

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08.07.08 23:57

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoonwer hat damals denn noch gründlich geduscht?

Wem ist der Appetit auf Wild und Pilze nicht vergangen? Und wie haben sich die Eltern kleiner Kinder gefühlt? Hysterie? Und das war soo weit weg. Richtig, fragt mal die Ukrainer!  

09.07.08 00:06

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoonund vergesst nicht, Jodtabletten zu kaufen ;==)

09.07.08 00:13
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59073 Postings, 8562 Tage zombi17Harcon, es hat keinen Sinn, es ist zwecklos,

bei kiiwii and Friends sowieso! Alle Leute die damals an dem Verschluss von Tschernobil beteiligt waren sind entweder Tod oder kurz davor. Selbst heute noch sind die Kinderkliniken in der Ukraine voll von missgebildeten oder leukemiekranken Kindern, die Naturprodukte sind immer noch belastet, das Wild weist auch noch viel zu starke Strahlung auf, von den Böden und Gewässer ganz zu schweigen.

Aber du kannst sicher sein, es gibt Gutachten die keinerlei Verbindung mit dem Supergau herstellen. Frag mich jetzt nicht wer die in Auftrag gegeben hat, das will keiner hören.

Wie Daniel schon sagte, es ist einfach schon zu lange her und wurde aus den Köpfen verdrängt. Unsere Medien haben keinerlei Interesse das Bewusstsein des Schrecklichen in unsere Gehirne zu verankern.

Wie sagte Lehna gestern oder heute so schön, Sicherheit gibt es nicht, aber Atom ist unersätzlich.

 

09.07.08 00:26

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoongeiler Spruch!

"Wie sagte Lehna gestern oder heute so schön, Sicherheit gibt es nicht, aber Atom ist unersätzlich."

Die Geschichte scheint ein Wellenphänomen zu sein

Ich rieche schon wieder Tränengas!  

09.07.08 00:36
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129861 Postings, 7477 Tage kiiwiiChernobyl: the true scale of the accident

Chernobyl: the true scale of the accident


20 Years Later a UN Report Provides Definitive Answers and Ways to Repair Lives

5 SEPTEMBER 2005 | GENEVA -- A total of up to 4000 people could eventually die of radiation exposure from the Chernobyl nuclear power plant (NPP) accident nearly 20 years ago, an international team of more than 100 scientists has concluded.

As of mid-2005, however, fewer than 50 deaths had been directly attributed to radiation from the disaster, almost all being highly exposed rescue workers, many who died within months of the accident but others who died as late as 2004.

The new numbers are presented in a landmark digest report, “Chernobyl’s Legacy: Health, Environmental and Socio-Economic Impacts,” just released by the Chernobyl Forum. The digest, based on a three-volume, 600-page report and incorporating the work of hundreds of scientists, economists and health experts, assesses the 20-year impact of the largest nuclear accident in history. The Forum is made up of 8 UN specialized agencies, including the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), World Health Organization (WHO), United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (UN-OCHA), United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation (UNSCEAR), and the World Bank, as well as the governments of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine.

“This compilation of the latest research can help to settle the outstanding questions about how much death, disease and economic fallout really resulted from the Chernobyl accident,” explains Dr. Burton Bennett, chairman of the Chernobyl Forum and an authority on radiation effects. “The governments of the three most-affected countries have realized that they need to find a clear way forward, and that progress must be based on a sound consensus about environmental, health and economic consequences and some good advice and support from the international community.”

Bennett continued: “This was a very serious accident with major health consequences, especially for thousands of workers exposed in the early days who received very high radiation doses, and for the thousands more stricken with thyroid cancer. By and large, however, we have not found profound negative health impacts to the rest of the population in surrounding areas, nor have we found widespread contamination that would continue to pose a substantial threat to human health, within a few exceptional, restricted areas.”

The Forum’s report aims to help the affected countries understand the true scale of the accident's consequences and also suggests ways the governments of Belarus, the Russian Federation and Ukraine might address major economic and social problems stemming from the accident. Members of the Forum, including representatives of the three governments, will meet September 6 and 7 in Vienna at an unprecedented gathering of the world’s experts on Chernobyl, radiation effects and protection, to consider these findings and recommendations.
Major study findings

Dozens of important findings are included in the massive report:

   * Approximately 1000 on-site reactor staff and emergency workers were heavily exposed to high-level radiation on the first day of the accident; among the more than 200 000 emergency and recovery operation workers exposed during the period from 1986-1987, an estimated 2200 radiation-caused deaths can be expected during their lifetime.
   * An estimated five million people currently live in areas of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine that are contaminated with radionuclides due to the accident; about 100 000 of them live in areas classified in the past by government authorities as areas of “strict control”. The existing “zoning” definitions need to be revisited and relaxed in light of the new findings.
   * About 4000 cases of thyroid cancer, mainly in children and adolescents at the time of the accident, have resulted from the accident’s contamination and at least nine children died of thyroid cancer; however the survival rate among such cancer victims, judging from experience in Belarus, has been almost 99%.
   * Most emergency workers and people living in contaminated areas received relatively low whole body radiation doses, comparable to natural background levels. As a consequence, no evidence or likelihood of decreased fertility among the affected population has been found, nor has there been any evidence of increases in congenital malformations that can be attributed to radiation exposure.
   * Poverty, “lifestyle” diseases now rampant in the former Soviet Union and mental health problems pose a far greater threat to local communities than does radiation exposure.
   * Relocation proved a “deeply traumatic experience” for some 350,000 people moved out of the affected areas. Although 116 000 were moved from the most heavily impacted area immediately after the accident, later relocations did little to reduce radiation exposure.
   * Persistent myths and misperceptions about the threat of radiation have resulted in “paralyzing fatalism” among residents of affected areas.
   * Ambitious rehabilitation and social benefit programs started by the former Soviet Union, and continued by Belarus, Russia and Ukraine, need reformulation due to changes in radiation conditions, poor targeting and funding shortages.
   * Structural elements of the sarcophagus built to contain the damaged reactor have degraded, posing a risk of collapse and the release of radioactive dust;
   * A comprehensive plan to dispose of tons of high-level radioactive waste at and around the Chernobyl NPP site, in accordance with current safety standards, has yet to be defined.

Alongside radiation-induced deaths and diseases, the report labels the mental health impact of Chernobyl as “the largest public health problem created by the accident” and partially attributes this damaging psychological impact to a lack of accurate information. These problems manifest as negative self-assessments of health, belief in a shortened life expectancy, lack of initiative, and dependency on assistance from the state.

“Two decades after the Chernobyl accident, residents in the affected areas still lack the information they need to lead the healthy and productive lives that are possible,” explains Louisa Vinton, Chernobyl focal point at the UNDP. “We are advising our partner governments that they must reach people with accurate information, not only about how to live safely in regions of low-level contamination, but also about leading healthy lifestyles and creating new livelihoods.” But, says Dr Michael Repacholi, Manager of WHO's Radiation Program, “the sum total of the Chernobyl Forum is a reassuring message.”

He explains that there have been 4000 cases of thyroid cancer, mainly in children, but that except for nine deaths, all of them have recovered. "Otherwise, the team of international experts found no evidence for any increases in the incidence of leukemia and cancer among affected residents."

The international experts have estimated that radiation could cause up to about 4000 eventual deaths among the higher-exposed Chernobyl populations, i.e., emergency workers from 1986-1987, evacuees and residents of the most contaminated areas. This number contains both the known radiation-induced cancer and leukaemia deaths and a statistical prediction, based on estimates of the radiation doses received by these populations. As about quarter of people die from spontaneous cancer not caused by Chernobyl radiation, the radiation-induced increase of only about 3% will be difficult to observe. However, in the most exposed cohorts of emergency and recovery operation workers some increase of particular cancer forms (e.g., leukemia) in particular time periods has already been observed. The predictions use six decades of scientific experience with the effects of such doses, explained Repacholi.

Repacholi concludes that “the health effects of the accident were potentially horrific, but when you add them up using validated conclusions from good science, the public health effects were not nearly as substantial as had at first been feared.”

The report’s estimate for the eventual number of deaths is far lower than earlier, well-publicized speculations that radiation exposure would claim tens of thousands of lives. But the 4000 figure is not far different from estimates made in 1986 by Soviet scientists, according to Dr Mikhail Balonov, a radiation expert with the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, who was a scientist in the former Soviet Union at the time of the accident.

As for environmental impact, the reports are also reassuring, for the scientific assessments show that, except for the still closed, highly contaminated 30 kilometer area surrounding the reactor, and some closed lakes and restricted forests, radiation levels have mostly returned to acceptable levels. “In most areas the problems are economic and psychological, not health or environmental,” reports Balonov, the scientific secretary of the Chernobyl Forum effort who has been involved with Chernobyl recovery since the disaster occurred.
Recommendations

Recommendations call for focusing assistance efforts on highly contaminated areas and redesigning government programs to help those genuinely in need. Suggested changes would shift programs away from those that foster “dependency” and a “victim” mentality, and replacing them with initiatives that encourage opportunity, support local development, and give people confidence in their futures.

In the health area, the Forum report calls for continued close monitoring of workers who recovered from Acute Radiation Syndrome (ARS) and other highly exposed emergency personnel. The Report also calls for focused screening of children exposed to radioiodine for thyroid cancer and highly exposed clean-up workers for non-thyroid cancers. However, existing screening programs should be evaluated for cost-effectiveness, since the incidence of spontaneous thyroid cancers is increasing significantly as the target population ages. Moreover, high quality cancer registries need continuing government support.

In the environmental realm, the Report calls for long term monitoring of caesium and strontium radionuclides to assess human exposure and food contamination and to analyse the impacts of remedial actions and radiation-reduction countermeasures. Better information needs to be provided to the public about the persistence of radioactive contamination in certain food products and about food preparation methods that reduce radionuclide intake. Restrictions on harvesting of some wild food products are still needed in some areas.

Also in the realm of protecting the environment, the Report calls for an “integrated waste management program for the Shelter, the Chernobyl NPP site and the Exclusion Zone” to ensure application of consistent management and capacity for all types of radioactive waste. Waste storage and disposal must be dealt with in a comprehensive manner across the entire Exclusion Zone, according to the Report.

In areas where human exposure is not high, no remediation needs to be done, points out Balonov. “If we do not expect health or environmental effects, we should not waste resources and effort on low priority, low contamination areas,” he explains. “We need to focus our efforts and resources on real problems.”

One key recommendation addresses the fact that large parts of the population, especially in rural areas, still lack accurate information and emphasizes the need to find better ways both to inform the public and to overcome the lack of credibility that hampered previous efforts. Even though accurate information has been available for years, either it has not reached those who need it or people do not trust and accept the information and do not act upon it, according to the Report.

This recommendation calls for targeting information to specific audiences, including community leaders and health care workers, along with a broader strategy that promotes healthy lifestyles as well as information about how to reduce internal and external radiation exposures and address the main causes of disease and mortality.

In the socioeconomic sphere, the Report recommends a new development approach that helps individuals to “take control of their own lives and communities to take control of their own futures.” The Governments, the Report states, must streamline and refocus Chernobyl programs through more targeted benefits, elimination of unnecessary benefits to people in less contaminated areas, improving primary health care, support for safe food production techniques, and encouragement for investment and private sector development, including small and medium-size enterprises.

Notes Vinton, “The most important need is for accurate information on healthy lifestyles, together with better regulations to promote small, rural businesses. Poverty is the real danger. We need to take steps to empower people.”
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09.07.08 00:46
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59073 Postings, 8562 Tage zombi17Ich werde nie verstehen, dass Menschen die

Nachwuchs in der Welt gesetzt haben so unsensibel mit dem Thema umgehen.
Das verknöcherte Junggesellen oder Junggesellingen alles klasse finden wie es im Moment läuft, ok. Aber Familienoberhäupter, die ihren Kindern eine tolle Zeit wünschen? Verstehe ich nicht, sorry.

Stehen die Parteibücher wirklich über dem Wohlbefinden des Nachwuchses? Es scheint so.

Ich kann es wirklich drehen und wenden wie ich es will: Meine letzte Hoffnung ist wirklich die Linke, es waren mal die Grünen, aber die überzeugen mich auch nicht mehr. Schade eigentlich. Die Ansätze waren gut.

Ich hoffe wirklich, dass die SPD nicht komplett umfällt, die Grünen standhaft bleiben und die Linken das Zünglein an der Waage bilden.

Falls es trotzdem knapp werden sollte, wünsche ich mir aus den Reihen der Union und der FDP das einige den Gehorsam verweigern.

Es bedarf grosser Anstrengung, aber es geht auch sicherlich ohne dieses Teufelzeug.  

09.07.08 00:52
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59073 Postings, 8562 Tage zombi17Ich habe nur das Wort Bank gelesen, das

reicht schon.

Wenn ich weiterlese hat Tschernobil bestimmt nie stattgefunden.

Die Wahrheit, ist klar.

Nix passiert, die ganzen Toten wären nach 50 oder 60 Jahren, je nach Pflege, eh gestorben.

Eines verspreche ich dir, solange ich posten kann bekommst du den Pfeffer den du brauchst, versprochen.
 

09.07.08 00:59

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoonkein copy and paste Text!

1. Für die zellschädigende Wirkung ionisierender Strahlung gibt es keinen Schwellenwert.
2. Niemand kann eine Aussage darüber machen, wie viele Menschen durch den Reaktorunfall von Tschernobyl geschädigt wurden. Diese Berechnungen halte ich für unseriös. Genetische Schäden, die nicht in einer Generation zum Tode führen, werden in den nachfolgenden Generationen zu Missbildungen und Todesfällen führen.
 

09.07.08 01:04

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoonnein, die Grünen können wirklich niemanden mehr

überzeugen. Und kannst du den Linken wirklich trauen? Ich fürchte, wir werden das selber in die Hand nehmen müssen.  

09.07.08 01:16

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoondie wissenschaftlichen Ergebnisse

der Experten beruhen auf Erkenntnissen, die nach den Atombombenabwürfen auf Hiroshima und Nagasaki durch Untersuchungen der verseuchten japanischen Zivilbevölkerung gewonnen wurden. Diese sind viel zu ungenau, um auch nur annähernd das Ausmaß der Schäden zurch den Reaktorunfall berechnen zu können.    

09.07.08 01:38
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59073 Postings, 8562 Tage zombi17Ist doch totaler Quatsch

Ich sage nur Black Rain.

Leute die wirklich von der Druckwelle verschont blieben, haben entsetlichen Hunger und Durst erlitten. Sie waren alle noch nicht verstrahlt aber haben dann das Regenwasser getrunken, es
gab leider nichts anderes, und das Schicksal nahm seinen Lauf.
Mindestens die Hälfte der Toten kann man auf den Fallout zurückführen. Was im Klartext heisst, verseuchtes Zeug getrunken zu haben.
Und das ist wirklich keine angenehme Todesursache. Es zieht sich ziemlich hin.

Kiiwii und Konsorten bestehen sicherlich auf dem Standpunkt: Ein bischen Schwund ist immer, ausserdem war es eine gerechte Bombe, denn sie kam aus den USA.  

09.07.08 01:54

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoonso ist es. Und genau diese Leiden sind von

US-Wissenschaftlern akribisch aufgezeichnet worden.  

09.07.08 02:13
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6255 Postings, 6107 Tage aktienbärFalsch zombi

Kernspaltung und Bombe haben Deutsche erfunden.  

09.07.08 02:16
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17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoonund als Immigranten in USA realisiert

09.07.08 02:20

17333 Postings, 7001 Tage harcoonallerdings nicht ganz freiwillig

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