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15.03.11 15:52

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013Es herrscht der nackte Wahnsinn

Der Markt macht sich selbständig, Crashzustände, Panikverkäufe und der CEO ist weg, da setzt jegliche Charttechnik aus. Wo es noch hin geht weiß wohl keiner. Ich hab ebenfalls nochmals kräftig bei 3 € nachgelegt.  

15.03.11 16:29

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocksCFO ist gegangen...deshalb -30%

15.03.2011 15:52 

China's Subaye plummets after CFO resigns

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March 15 (Reuters) - Shares of China's Subaye Inc plunged 41 percent to a two-and-half-year low on Tuesday, a day after the cloud computing company said its chief financial officer resigned.

In a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, the company said James Crane, who had served as CFO since October 2007, resigned to pursue other professional interests.

Subaye, which offers cloud services and online video marketing to small and medium-sized businesses, named company President Alan Lun as its CFO.

Before joining Subaye, Crane had founded J. Crane&Co P.C., a professional services firm, prior to which he worked as an external auditor.

J. Crane&Co's registration as a public accounting firm was permanently revoked after it failed to cooperate on an inspection by the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB).

According to a PCAOB document dated Jan. 11, Crane also failed to file an annual report and pay an annual fee.

The PCAOB is a private sector body created under the Sarbanes-Oxley Act to oversee the auditors of public companies.

The company, which was known as MyStarU.com till late 2009, granted J. Crane&Co 2.25 million shares on Oct 11, 2009, for three years of consulting services, according to a filing dated Oct. 20, 2009.

The stock hit a lifetime high of $27 on Oct 20, 2009.

Shares of the company were down 29 percent at $4.20 in morning trade on Nasdaq, after touching a low of $3.49 earlier. More than 2.7 million shares changed hands by 10:15 ET. That is over 5 times their normal volumes. (Reporting by Sayantani Ghosh; Editing by Vyas Mohan) Keywords: SUBAYE/SHARES

 

15.03.11 16:32

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocksTschia

das ist natürlich nicht schön, wenn der CFO geht - die Nachricht wurde übrigens gestern eingereicht, nicht heute.

Hoffe ja mal  sehr, dass Subaye Inc. kein Porblem hat mit den Finanzzahlen.. Es wird Zeit, dass Subaye die Finanzahlen auf den Tisch legt und Klarheit schafft.

 

17.03.11 19:02

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013Absturz

Wieso stürzt die Aktie denn noch weiter ab? Müßte doch nun mal Ende der Fahnenstange sein.  

17.03.11 21:44

157 Postings, 5074 Tage Rotband27Habe ich heute bei Forbes gefunden

Chinese small-cap stocks traded in the U.S. remained under a cloud of suspicion about accounting fraud. Nasdaq-listed online service provider Subaye lost another 8% last night, after a 26% drop the preceding day, after its CFO reportedly quit. CHBT fell 11% on related concerns.

(Verdacht der Finanzfälschung)  

17.03.11 22:20

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013Dachte ich mir doch

...dass es an den Zahlen liegt. Ich bin mit 35% Verlust raus.  

18.03.11 17:41

157 Postings, 5074 Tage Rotband27Windrichtung dreht endlich wieder nach Norden

Nasdaq + 10 %  

20.03.11 20:28

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocksMann-o-Mann

2.30 Euro das ist ja echt heftig...nur weil der CFO gewechselt hat??

 

24.03.11 19:36

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocksUSA - 18%

Was ist los hier???????????

 

24.03.11 19:36

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013Short Seller Attacke auf Subay?

....habe ich bei Yahoo im Forum gelesen. Heute morgen geliehen und jetzt auf den Markt geschmissen. Mal sehen ob die Rechnung für die Shorties aufgeht....

 

24.03.11 20:01

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013short selling

Nach dem Shortbericht sind sollen sie wohl eher gestern geliehen worden sein..., Keine Ahnung ob das alles so stimmt.  

24.03.11 21:24

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013Kurs

Also es wird geschrieben (so wie auch ersichtlich), dass sie ab Nachmittag verkauft haben. Die Frage ist nur bis wann sie einkaufen müssen. Die angeblichen Bilanzmanipulationen des Unternehmens konnten wohl bisher nicht bestätigt werden. Abwarten.... Ich bin am überlegen wieder einzusteigen...(an der Unterstützung).   

28.03.11 19:08

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013Abwarten

Da nach wie vor genügend geliehene Aktien draußen sind (Leerverkauf) und die Bilanzmanipulationen im Raume stehen, werde ich abwarten. Weiterhin finden sich bei ganz schwachen Umsätzen zur Zeit wenige Käufer.

Ich gehe zur Zeit davon aus, dass der Kurs hier in Richtung Pennystock (weit unter 1€) gedrückt werden soll und die Shortseller dicke Gewinne einfahren werden. 

 

29.03.11 22:08

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocksna ja - short seller hin oder her

Bis jetzt sehen die Fakten doch so aus, dass nur der CFO gewechselt hat, das muss ja noch lange nicht bedeutn, dass es Manipulationen mit den Finanzberichten gibt. Würde die Aktie auf 1 Euro gedrückt werden, wäre die Firma noch noch 10 Mio Euro wert...ein Witz denke ich.

 

01.04.11 20:54

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocks- 16 %

wir nähern uns den 1.70 Euro...bei 9,5 Mio ausstehenden Aktien...:-)

 

02.04.11 03:18

23601 Postings, 6428 Tage Chalifmann3China frauds are everywhere ...

Ich habs euch immer gesagt: Den Schlitzaugen ist nicht über den weg zu trauen !!!
ein china Fraud jagt den Nächsten: China Media ; china Education, china Integrated energy sind aktuelle Beispiele,die Kurse fallen ins bodenlose und landen in den Pinks ! Warum hat sich wohl der CFO von Subaye rechtzeitig verpisst ?? Damit er nicht im Knast landet,das dürfte klar sein ......

MFG
Chali  
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02.04.11 10:35

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013@Chalifmann3

Du schleichst durch sämtliche Foren machst alles madig und behauptest überall, Du hast es gewußt usw. Gibst von Dir auch was KONSTRUKTIVES?

Im Übrigen hat sich der CFO nicht verpisst, er ist gegangen worden (gefeuert)!

 

02.04.11 21:12

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocks@Chalifmann

Du hast leider Recht und es ist zur Zeit wirklich schwer noch zu unterscheiden zwischen den chinesischen Small Capy, die ehrlich sind und jenen, die bescheissen.

Ich kann nur allen Investierten empfehlen sich auf SeekingAlpha über chionesiche Aktien zu und den aktuellen Stand zu Betrugsfällen dort informieren...in Summe ist es ein echtes Trauerspiel:

Mit Rino International find es an, China Media schafft es nicht Finanzberichte zu publizieren, Orient Paper wurde beschuldigt und hat immer noch Porbleme alle Finanzberichte der Jahre 2008 und 2009 richtig zu stellen. Neuer Fälle sind Wonder Auto Technology, A-Power und Universal Travel Group schaffen es nicht des Jahresbericht 2010 rechtzetig abzuliefern...man muss sich schon fragen,w as hier los ist??

Advanved Battery, bis vorgestern noch ein angesehener, rpofitabler Lieferant von Li-Ionenbatterien und Elektrorollern wurde schwerst beschuldigt und mit einem Wert von 0 USD gleichgesetzt....

Die Anzahl der Fälle sind in den vergangenen Wochen explodiert, häufig treten CFOs ab, wie bei Subaye, Auditors wechslen oder sind unbekannt und unerfahren, chinesische Firmenchefs bescheissen einfach...

Bei den chinesischen Small-Caps sieht es düster aus, das ist ein Faktum. Und es ist nicht nur Subaye sondern man kann 10-20 weitere chines. Firmen nennen, die gearde mit Bilanzproblemen käpfen und deren Kurse auf KGVs von 2-3 stehen...

Warum sollte man hiert Geld investieren?  BASF, MAN Vz, SGL Carbon, Grammer sind deutsche Aktien und haben sich sehr gut entwickelt in 2010 und haben auch weiterehin gute Aussichten...oder wie wäre es mit Rohstoffaktien??

Aber Small-Caps, die jenseits vom Geschäft noch nicht mal richtige/ehrliche Quartalsberichte und Jahresberichte hinbekommen sind ein echter Scheiss und wie eine Zeitbombe, die zur Zeit zu oft explodiert!!

In chinesichen Small Caps ist der Wurm drin und Privatinvestoren sind die letzten in der Kette, die diese Informationen bekommen - das sollte allen klar sein.

 

 

 

 

 

03.04.11 09:23

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013chinesische Firmen

Ich würde nicht verallgemeinern. Wieviele chinesische Firmen gibt es, die in den USA gelistet sind? Wieviele sind davon als Betrüger enttarnt worden? Bereits im Januar 2011 wurde ausgiebig vor chinesischen Firmen gewarnt. Anleger sind vorsichtiger geworden. Das heißt nicht, dass man überhaupt nicht mehr investieren soll. Perlen suchen, kleine Positionen und nur als Beimischung....

Im Falle von Subaye wird irgendwann aufgeklärt werden. Stop Börsen-Handel? Boden gefunden, genaue Zahlen, gutes Geschäftsmodell, übermäßige Abstrafung (die weiter erfolgen wird), neues Potential...

 

03.04.11 09:47

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013oder eben

....für alle Zeit weg vom Fenster, weil nie jemand wirklich recherchiert hatte und die ganze Firma eine Luftnummer ist.  

03.04.11 18:23

1641 Postings, 6467 Tage mimbaDas gibt es doch überall, auch in Deutschland!

Wenn ich mich recht erinnere lässt Subaye die Ergebnisse unabhängig prüfen, mal sehen was dabei raus kommt, jetzt schon wieder den Teufel an die Wand malen bringt doch nichts.

Ich bin auch nicht erfreut darüber wie es im Moment läuft, aber wie so oft an der Börse heißt es jetzt einfach mal abwarten.
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03.04.11 23:02

153 Postings, 5055 Tage Ghost013geb Dir recht

....aber ich hau mal trotzdem den Bericht hier rein, was vielleicht nochmal zum nachdenken anregen könnte.

Subaye Inc. (SBAY) Investigatory Report - Uncovering a Cloud of Discrepancies
Mar 29, 2011 2:34 PM 
 
This is a reprint from our earlier research note dated

I. On-the-ground Due Diligence Commences (See Entire Report)

What started out as a basic curiosity about the ownership structure of Subaye (NASDAQ:SBAY) led to an on-the-ground investigation into the fundamental operations of the company. Our initial red flags were born out of misrepresentations of ownership structure as well as questions into the effectiveness and potential of the company's website and "cloud business products" in garnering meaningful revenues. We eventually came to a startling realization that a major discrepancy exists between the purported size of SBAY's workforce versus what we determined to be physical limitations due to the lack of office space and/or non-existent offices and employees altogether.

Our investigator visited Subaye in Guangzhou on the morning of March 8, 2011 where he spoke to one maintenance individual who works at the facility and two employees of a car wash company adjacent to SBAY. Our investigator also visited SBAY's claimed facility in Beijing on March 22, 2011, where he was unable to verify the presence of a workforce at this facility. Our investigator took several pictures of the Guangzhou and Beijing facilities. We also conducted extensive internet research on SBAY and pulled the company's SAIC filings as well as those of an associated company, Guangzhou Aixi Software Co., Ltd.("Aixi").

Based on our investigation, we alerted our readers on March 7, 2011 to tread cautiously when considering an investment in SBAY. We also disclosed that we established an initial short position in the company's shares as a result of our findings. On March 15, 2011 we published more information regarding our findings.

To see the rest of the report, PLEASE GO HERE.

Disclosure: Short SBAY at time of this report.

 

04.04.11 07:51
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1641 Postings, 6467 Tage mimba@Ghost013

Das Problem ist man kann nur das recherchieren was eine Firma veröffentlicht und das war ja im Fall Subaye nie schlecht, recherchieren müsste z.B. die Nasdaq wenn sie ein neues Unternehmen listet. Im Moment ist es doch so dass keiner weiß was wirklich los ist und Subaye hat in der Vergangenheit schon oft nach einem extremen Hoch eine extremes Tief gemacht, im Moment ist alles sehr frustrierend und ich hoffe für alle dass bald Licht ins Dunkel kommt.

Egal was bei Subaye raus kommt, es ist kein Grund das Volk der Chinesen als Schlitzaugen zu bezeichnen bzw. das Ganze Volk als Verbrecher hinzustellen den das gibt es immer und überall unabhängig welcher Volksgruppe.
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04.04.11 09:34

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocksNaja zudem muss

mans agen - und ich kannes nur wiederholen, es sind schon ein gutes Dutzend chinesicher Smallcaps mittlerweile ders Betrugs verdächtigt und die Schätzungen  gehen auf ein Drittel aller Reverse Merger Firmen...das wären viele. 

Ich kaufe dann lieber Rohstoffunternehmen als chinesische Small Caps deren Veröffneltichungen man nicht mal trauen kann...

Zeit und Geldverschwendung!!

 

 

04.04.11 09:42

371 Postings, 5845 Tage Leo4stocksinteressant...

China Small Caps: No Love for Evident Value 
Feb 17, 2011 6:10 PM | about stocks: CCGY.PK, GFRE, JASO, LPH, CCME, CNIT, NEP, ONP, LLEN, JGBO, CHOP, CAGC, NIV
With the continued uptrend in the Nasdaq and the Dow Jones index each continuously hitting new highs, it is tough to sit and watch some investments consistently underperform when it is clear that there is evident value residing in some of these companies. Many of these underperforming stocks reside in a sector that has been consistently criticized: the US. Listed Chinese small cap sector. 

The following link demonstrates the clear underperformance for the past three months of most of the stocks in comparison to the NASDAQ. (Click here to view the recent comparison of stock performance)

As we can all see, the following is a list of companies that are clearly undervalued based on current P/E multiples, not to mention most have much lower forward P/E ratios and PEG ratios far below 1.

(The current S&P 500 average P/E is 15.7)
Company NameQuoteP/E
China Clean EnergyCCGY.OB6.69
Gulf Resources Inc.GFRE6.70
JA Solar Holdings Co.JASO8.20
Longwei PetroleumLPH4.30
China Media ExpressCCME6.0
China Information TechnologyCNIT6.75
China North East PetroleumNEP3.33
Orient Paper, Inc.ONP7.70
L&L Energy, Inc.LLEN4.90
Jiangbo PharmaceuticalsJGBO3.30
China Gerui Advanced Materials GroupCHOP5.30


It has been apparent to many of us that there is some clear value in many of these companies yet many reasons have led North American investors to shy away from such companies.

The following are some of the main factors affecting Chinese small cap stocks:

1. The Skepticism over Reverse Mergers

The fact is many Chinese stocks have become public companies trough reverse mergers. Which means a private company merges or acquires a public company to bypass the whole IPO process. Reverse mergers have been extremely popular especially for foreign companies since they can do so and easily have access to North American stock markets. 
Reverse Mergers should definitely not be associated with fraud. It is simply a legal way of having access to the financial markets and financing trough secondary offerings without the lengthy IPO process. Public companies are also known to be valued at higher multiples than private companies due to their liquidity premium which gives another reason for private companies to list on an exchange. 
  
A
recent report suggests that reverse merger activity is increasing in popularity and that a third of these reverse takeovers are Chinese.

Although many private companies are attempting to use a reverse merger deal as an easy way to access capital markets there has been much more scrutiny in the second half of the year 2010 in terms of reverse mergers. The SEC is trying to crack down on poor regulations concerning reverse mergers and increase their monitoring of this type of activity. One of the main reasons for the increase in scrutiny in the reverse merger sector is that many fraud cases and lawsuits have been against reverse merger companies.

As well investors and analysts are not as willing to invest in companies that were not backed by known investment bankers to go public. Many investors view reverse mergers as a cheating way to get on the stock market. Herb Greenberg was seen attacking reverse mergers, LLEN and Red Chip
on CNBC.
As a result of Herb Greenberg's comments on reverse mergers and his direct attack towards L&L energy (
LLEN), the companies share price went from being at a high of $13.13 to a low $7.51 per share . It is still unknown if his attack on the company was planned or if it was an orchestrated short attack but this is a simple example of how Chinese reverse mergers receive bad publicity which keeps the whole sector down at ridiculous multiples.


2. Investors are Afraid of Chinese "Frauds"

As we all have seen in the example of RINO INTL. (RINO.PK), fraudulent Chinese companies are a fact and frauds are more likely to occur in reverse merger situations such as RINO. Companies of fraudulent reverse mergers try to gain on the scenario that going public helps boost the value of a company and if the company is able to inflate its earnings and get away with it then insiders will reap the benefits of a higher share price. This case is especially true when insiders hold large amount of shares. Not to mention the best scenario for fraudulent Chinese mergers would be to go public with inflated numbers, unknown auditors that "audit their claims", make secondary offerings at inflated stock prices to continue to orchestrate "growth" and "stunning fundamentals", and liquidate insider holdings at the stock peak stock prices. This ultimate scenario would leave shareholders holding on to the hope of growth while this fraud is discovered and the share price falls like a knife.

It is clear that it is quite possible that this "may" occur but some research and due diligence can save investors from falling into such traps. Then again, in these markets manipulation is rampant.

3. Manipulation, Short Attacks and Fraudulent Reports

Fraud or no fraud is the question...
Many CCME investors may be asking themselves the same question. Since Chinese small cap stocks are evidently the ones that have been blamed for much of the recent fraudulent activity as well as having the most reverse mergers on the NASDAQ they are increasingly becoming easy targets for bear raids or short attacks. This is all a play on FEAR and many investors are letting themselves get spooked out much too easily.
In China Media Express's (
CCME) case as well as many other stocks, reports by the notorious Muddy Waters Research (.pdf) have accused them of artificially inflating their revenue as well as claiming that the companies are orchestrating a fraud in many areas of their business.
After being continuously accused of fraud the stock ended up falling from its high of 23.87 down to 11.40. Loosing more than half of its value within weeks. While longs are sick to their stomach Muddy Waters which stated in its disclaimer that it was short CCME must have been laughing at the profit it was making.

Although the CCME's case is not completely resolved, evidence has been found that the research reports accusing CCME of being a fraud used false or forged documentation to prove their case. As well, much of the evidence that Muddy Waters brought forward were refuted by the CEO of China Media Express and more recently Global Hunters in a
recent thorough research report.

In the CEO's Letter (.pdf) refuting the claim that Muddy Waters got its information directly from the company the CEO stated:

We obviously do not know where Muddy Waters sourced this information, but what we do know is that, contrary to what Muddy Waters said in its "report," the information is not the same as our advertising kit.

As stated above, it is evident that companies such as Muddy Waters are taking advantage of investors skepticism and fear towards Chinese small cap stocks to make money trough short recommendations that may go as far as providing false facts. Most of these attacks are usually well planned, in CCME's case research reports were released during the Chinese New Year where the shorts knew the company would not respond quickly. On top of being released during the Chinese New Year CCME's stock was approaching REG SHO day 13 which is where shorts would have been forced to buy back their shares since there was no more shares available to short. For most of the shorts this would have meant buying back at a loss. After the allegations against CCME shorts made money on the downside, freed up some shares from the longs and thus had a win-win situation.

For Investors in the China sector it is a shame that many of these companies may be punished for the wrong doings of a few. Why are Chinese stocks punished for this? After all, when Enron was found to be fraudulent no one screamed lets not invest in all American energy companies. There may be a few other risks by investing in foreign companies but not enough to justify such low multiples on some of these stocks. Many people refer to the SAIC and SEC discrepancies as one of the biggest fears of fraud.

4. SAIC vs. SEC Discrepancy Misconception

This may be one of the most widely disputed accounting issue and was also used in the case of CCME.

To start a Chinese US listed company has to file with three organizations:
  • China's State Administration of Industry and Commerce "SAIC" is primarily responsible for business registration, business licenses and acts as the government supervisor of corporations. In order to renew their annual business licenses, all Chinese companies must file a Company Annual Inspection Report with the SAIC every year. This report includes financial statements but those numbers are not verified or audited by the SAIC. The agency is mostly concerned with the legal compliance issues and not with operating data or taxes.(http://www.saic.gov.cn)

  • State Administration of Taxation "SAT" : Chinese companies pay a variety of taxes; the tax filings made with the SAT are closely related to SEC filings much more closely related than the filings made to the SAIC for business licenses. The SAT requires audited financial statements (balance sheet, income statement and cash flow statement). Financial statements to the SAT are much more reliable than SAIC filings, however they are not publicly accessible and unavailable to investors.(http://www.chinatax.gov.cn)

  • And of course the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC)

Reasons for non-matching SAIC/SEC Numbers:
  • SAIC is a business registrar and not the Chinese equivalent of the SEC (the SAIC does not audit the financial statements submitted for the inspection report, they simply want to know if the company is still in business in order for them to receive their license)

  • There are differences in accounting principles. Chinese documents are audited under PRC GAAP while SEC filings are based on U.S. GAAP standards. (some of the differences depend on how revenue is recognized)

  • Business Consolidation is treated differently. In China every legal entity has to file its own annual inspection report with the SAIC. Sometimes the parent company report is consolidated while other times it is not. (inter-company transactions are treated differently)

  • SAIC filings only reflect business activities in the People's Republic of China. SEC fillings on the other hand have to reflect worldwide financial data for the consolidated US listed company.
For the reasons mentioned, SEC fillings can diverged from SAIC fillings for a multiple amount of reasons. A divergence does not mean the company is fraudulent. If the company is adamant to taking care of these issues they can hire an auditing firm that understands these discrepancies and ask them to reconcile them and make sure they are completely identical. 

5. The Chinese Economy is Slowing and Implementing Tightening Policies

The last issue investors may have regarding Chinese stocks is that they fear that China is slowing. Even if the economy grows at 8% from the previous 10% it is still growing at more than twice the speed of the American economy.

Although the PRC government has been working on tightening lending to curve the fear of inflation, what they are doing is good for the economy in the long run. China is quickly approaching the U.S. in becoming the largest economy in the world and the largest consumer of energy resources.
Recent analyst and articles predict that China will surpass the U.S. economy within 10 years.
Even if the short term growth rate slows in China, this slowdown has to happen to keep the economy growing at a healthy pace and to keep inflation under control.

I personally would like to be invested in the economy that is becoming the worlds largest economy, because if the country is growing, so are the amount of people, and so is the growth of the companies in China.

Concluding Remarks

Although there are country related risks, reverse merger risks, fraud and filling related risks as well as the risk of manipulation, Chinese small caps do deserve a chance to shine.

Due to the risks mentioned Chinese small cap stocks are riskier investments but with some due diligence you may experience some very high returns on the right China stocks.

A few tips on choosing the right Chinese stocks would be to check the following:
  1. Make sure they have a known auditor (top 10 is recommended)
  2. Make sure management demonstrates they care about shareholders and defend false allegations (if any occur).
  3. Low or no debt is preferable
  4. Large cash amounts on the balance sheet and positive cash flow business
  5. Make sure accounts receivables are not too high relative to sales as high accounts receivables have become notorious of Chinese firms.
  6. Follow up with suppliers or competitors to confirm the presence of the firm
  7. Coverage by a research firm is preferable and helps to prove some of the firms legitimacy
  8. Institutional ownership is preferable as it demonstrates they have done research and believe in the company
  9. Make sure the company is not over diluting through multiple secondary offerings and high stock compensation
  10. Watch for insider transactions, make sure insiders are not selling  very large share amounts. Buying behaviour is preferable as it shows management has a vested interest in their companies performance.

China will eventually come back in favor, for the time being focusing on companies that are the most reputable and that have upcoming catalyst could be the best strategy. Someday the value will be uncovered...

 
 

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