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Ein Posting ja mit dubiosem Kursziel.
Kann ich auch bei einer Aktie ausgeben.
Also ich will hier ja nichts schlecht reden man sollte nur auf den Kurs aufpassen.In D liegt der Kurs nunmal deutlich über Pari.Mag sein das in den USA heute wieder 100% drin sind dann haben die die zu 0,017 Euro gekauft haben glück gehabt und sind 10% im Plus.Was aber wenn USA nicht steigt sondern + - null läuft dann stehen die die zu 0,017 Euro gekauft haben mit 42% im MINUS und überigens alle anderen die heute morgen gekauft haben auch.Denn alle gehandelten Aktien lagen heute über Pari.
So bin auch weg hier da ich ja nicht investiert bin und wünsche Euch trotzdem viel Glück und GEwinn.
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We operate China and North American subsidiaries:
China Operations
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Innotrek Company
•Established in November 2003,Certified by the Science committee of Beijing. Specializes in in the development of cable-exempted LAN construction.Attained Intellectual property rights and patent rights to its technology. All research and development were carried out according to the requirements of ISO 9000 to ensure quality of excellence of products developed. <!--[endif]ý
Main drivers for company’s businesses : Marketing Team and Technical Team
Mr. Wynn Wang as Managing Director
Mr. Tao Cheng as Technical Director
Mr. Wu Dan as Assistant MD.
Product
Beijing Jiaotong University is currently the base for production and development of “Innotrek Intelligent Broadband LAN System”. The research team is headed by Mr. Tao Cheng, Technical Director of Innotrek. As business expands to meet up with the targets, a larger scale of production is required. Innotrek would outsource to overseas for manufacturing, where Innotrek will be an ODM. This would effectively save costs and raise productivity. For this, Innotrek is in the midst of contractual negotiations with Taiwan. Once agreements were made, Innotrek would shift production to manufacturing plant in Taiwan Accex Pte Ltd.
Service
Installation of broadband network will be done by well-trained internal staff of Innotrek.
As business expands, more technical staff will be employed to cater to the growing needs. Upon establishment of network system in the hotels, hotel employees will be trained by technical staff from Innotrek to handle basic technical problems. The quality of technology service provided is maintained with efficient 24 hours customer service.
Our project “Advanced Broadband Technology Installation Service for Hotels” is not a one-off payment product business, but rather, one that receives payment from clients on a regular basis for maintenance fees
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Sept 7, 2008 MonArc (MONA) 50 Million Share Buyback Program (UPDATE FILING)
Issuer joins as a Beneficiary claimant against Investors Hub. Other backers and supporters of this buyback and share purchase are Peter Woo, Investors Line, Xiang Family Trust, Corporate Bank PLC, forward stock split of 2-1 or 10-1
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/...ancialReportById.pdf?id=17015
Sept 7, 2008 Subject Re; Att Investors Hub We have been forwarded this challenge and invitation by several shareholders to open up this IRP account. These shareholders and issuers have lost substantial values on their share prices due to your web site offering these stock bashers a safe harbor to bash these issuers and to pray on novice and inexperienced investors.
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/...ancialReportById.pdf?id=17012
Sept 5, 2008 50 Million Share Buy Back 20 Cent Share Target
Mr.Garr Winters, the company's Secretary added, "Our stock target price aim is as close to the post reverse stock split price of 0.20 cents per share or as close as we can get to that goal. We acknowledge that there will be flippers and profit takers along the way and rightfully so, however plans and measures are being implemented as we speak that will see the greatest reward and return returned to our long term followers which is long overdue.
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080905/to522.html?.v=2
Sept 4, 2008 MinaMar Proof of Purchase 2,000.000 MONA Shares by Oppenheimer
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/...ancialReportById.pdf?id=17006
September 4, 2008 MonArc (MONA) PP365.com Completes Online Multi-Player Online Combat Game
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080904/to491.html?.v=42
September 3, 2008 Miro Zecevic and Mini Mar Group, Inc. v Investors Hub, “Henry Ridge” et al.
http://www.pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/...ancialReportById.pdf?id=17005
Sept 2, 2008 Notice To Become FINRA Over-the-Counter Bulletin Board ("OTCBB") Compliant Issuer
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16960
Sep 1, 2008 Merger Notice Multiple Dividend Payout Mr. Winters states Asset sale could topple 12 to 18 Cents
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16945
August 29, 2008 INSIDERS BUYING MONA!!! Click to see the filing:
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16918
August 28, 2008 Monarch Corporation (MONA) Sale To China Marketing Company
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080828/to328.html?.v=43
August 27, 2008 MonArc Corporation's (MONA) To Be Acquired by a Chinese Direct Marketing Company
http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/080827/to299.html?.v=73
August 13, 2008 15c211 Status Solicited Issuer:
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16636
August 13, 2008 Asset Sale n America and Dividend
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16634
Aug 13, 2008 Majority Position Asset To Be Sold And Dividend Out Aquired In Private Placement Oil Vapor Recovery Equipment Business Plan
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16935
August 13, 2008 Innotrek Merger ISP Co
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16632
August 13, 2008 Bar Code Co Merger
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16631
August 12, 2008 Shareholders Awareness
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16625
July 25, 2008 New Director
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16393
July 15, 2008 Innotreck RTO China Company - Mona
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16175
July 13, 2008 REVERSE TAKE OVER CHINA ISP ALL CASH
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16149
June 30, 2008 Q2 2008
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=16584
June 24, 2008 Nevada filings new officers reduced outstanding
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=15698
June 24, 2008 MONA Reports on Warrants Issued.
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=15678
June 20, 2008 CEO Warrant with Private Placement Exercise Price .02.5 Cents
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=15677
Warrant A private Placement Exercise Price .02.5 Cents
http://pinksheets.com/otciq/ajax/showFinancialReportById.pdf?id=15675
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MonArc Corporation (MONA) Closes Acquisition of China Based Direct Marketing Company
Sep 8, 2008
Pink OTC Markets News Service
Beijing, China — Beijing, September 8, 2008 - MonArc Corporation www.monacorporation.com (Pink Sheets: MONA - News) is pleased to announce that it has closed the acquisition of EEIGI Ltd., a Hong Kong based direct marketing company with over 7,000 representatives.
EEIGI manufactures and sells a proprietary line of all natural Health and Beauty Aids (HBA) through a direct marketing distribution business model. These are developed and shipped worldwide from the Company's Canadian offices and manufacturing centre. Importantly, EEIGI has put together a significant network of representatives, and enjoys top-line revenue in the millions of dollars with an asset base of roughly $15 million.
HBA is one of the most profitable sectors based on gross margins of products sold. The most significant costs most HBA firms have is the cost of marketing and advertising, including package design. Using a direct marketing business model similar to Amway and Avon, EEIGI has reached a level of critical mass with enough distributors to generate profitability on its product line. The Company is now poised for accelerated growth, given the organic growth model of direct, multi-level sales and the marketing support the Company can now dedicate to building on an already successful business model. It is targeting a total of 18 countries to augment its core sales in China.
EEIGI is currently developing an English version of it's website, which can be found at www.eeigi.com. Initial development has begun, however the quality of the translation is relatively inconsistent. One of the first tasks MonArc will undertake is to ensure that the English version of the website accurately depicts the EEIGI's products and services, and complies with North American, and eventually, European regulatory requirements.
Moving forward, EEIGI will be the primary operating business within MonArc. In keeping with the Company's new business model as a Small Cap Boutique Investment Group, MonArc will work with EEIGI management to begin to create awareness of EEIGI as a public company. We will be tasked with creating investor awareness and building investor interest in EEIGI. Our advisory services will include helping to grow the Company to the next level with sound financial planning and appropriate corporate strategies. When EEIGI is ready, MonArc management intention is to spin it off as a separate public company. Obviously, MonArc shareholders will be rewarded with dividends in the new company. It is also planed or anticipated that MONA investors will have the opportunity to see their investment grow through the addition of stock warrants or options once EEIGI stands on its own.
In other Company news, MonArc is continuing discussions regarding the sale of its Hubei Chuguan Industry Co. Ltd.position. This is an environmental services company active in the oil sector, as previously announced. Our representatives in China are walking Hubei Chuguan executives through a similar approach and spin off their Company as the second major project in the upcoming months. Due diligence is proceeding on course, and we are working with management to develop the final framework and timetable for this project.
MonArc is also continuing work with PP365.com an on line gaming company and (the current operating company in MONA) and Innotrek, (a broadband Hotel ISP) who have been making excellent progress in their respective businesses, but are not as mature as companies as EEIGI and Hubei Chuguan. Management is in discussion with several interested groups for these asssets.
MonArc CEO, Mr Yong Chan advises; "We feel that MonArc is on the verge of significant success. Special gratitude to Mr.Garr Winters MONA X CEO and the current Secretary and Strategic Advisor has been instrumental and pivotal in making all of this happen. He has been working overtime in the background to see this transformation and sucess come to a fruition. Not to take anything away from PP365 or Beijing Innotrek Technology Co., but EEIGI and Hubei Chuguan are on a different level in terms of maturity of the Company, scale of operations, revenue streams and profitability. However, we really like what these younger companies are achieving and have every confidence that they will have the ability to capitalize on their respective business opportunities and go on to great success within our company, and as individual public companies down the line.
Our work with them has been vital to MonArc as we have reshaped our corporate business model over the last year. We are extremely well positioned to continue to identify additional candidate companies in China who are already successful but need the benefit of our experience and guidance to capitalize on the benefits of being publicly traded companies. Shareholders can expect to receive an ongoing series of rewards in a form of cash or stock dividends and other instruments to leverage the potential for increased value of these companies; as we introduce them to public markets and transition them to trade under their own names".
The common shares of the Company are currently listed in the USA (symbol MONA) and the Frankfurt Stock Exchange (Xe:GZWM)
CONTACT: corporate@monacorporation.com
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The above news release has been provided by the above company via the OTC Disclosure and News Service. Issuers of news releases and not Pink OTC Markets Inc. are solely responsible for the accuracy of such news releases.
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In reply to: hypehunter who wrote msg# 108839 Post # of 108840
Just saw the News out
Mona is working doubletime getting these great deals out to Mona shareholders.
This company has turned the corner and is on the verge of a major run.
Mona and Garr Winters are doing a fantastic job of bringing Excellent Growth China Oppts. into Mona.
This looks to me like this could hit .05 possibly today and .10 - .20 in the next few weeks.
50 million Buyback should absorb the daytraders and stabilize the stock price all the way up.
Bookmarks are exploding on Mona
Great day ahead for sure
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Wie steht es bei anderen aus ?? ax
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Wenn hier jemand Kritikpunkte an dem Papier anbringen kann, dann soll er das bitte machen..es würde mich interessieren welche das sind...denn bis jetzt hab ich noch nicht gekauft, und ich bin vorsichtig!
Ist keine Empfehlung für irgendetwas.
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Das ist zockerei auf höchstem Nivau meiner Meinung nach.Wer hier in D mehr als 50% über pari kauft zockt auf einen fetten Anstieg in den USA.Wissen tut dies keiner.
Kann auch sein das die Aktie zu Börsenanfang in den USA steigt sogar über die 0,02 Dollar geht aber zum Schluß steht dann vielleicht nur ein Miniplus oder sogar Minus wer weiß das schon.
Sicher ist hier nichts und die die von Kursen größer 0,20 Dollar reden sind drin und pushen heftig(verständlich).
Also mir ist die Aktie nach 1700% innerhalb der letzten Wochen zu heiß aber jedem das seine.
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Ich beobachte das Ding einfach mal. Interessant wird es bestimmt was hier passiere...egal in welche Richtung :-)
Ist nur meine persönliche Meinung und soll niemanden positiv oder negativ beeinflussen.
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Next BIG NEWS for MONA out!!!
MonArc Corporation (MONA) Closes Acquisition of China Based Direct Marketing Company
Sep 8, 2008
Pink OTC Markets News Service
Beijing, China — Beijing, September 8, 2008 - MonArc Corporation www.monacorporation.com (Pink Sheets: MONA - News) is pleased to announce that it has closed the acquisition of EEIGI Ltd., a Hong Kong based direct marketing company with over 7,000 representatives.
EEIGI manufactures and sells a proprietary line of all natural Health and Beauty Aids (HBA) through a direct marketing distribution business model. These are developed and shipped worldwide from the Company's Canadian offices and manufacturing centre. Importantly, EEIGI has put together a significant network of representatives, and enjoys top-line revenue in the millions of dollars with an asset base of roughly $15 million.
HBA is one of the most profitable sectors based on gross margins of products sold. The most significant costs most HBA firms have is the cost of marketing and advertising, including package design. Using a direct marketing business model similar to Amway and Avon, EEIGI has reached a level of critical mass with enough distributors to generate profitability on its product line. The Company is now poised for accelerated growth, given the organic growth model of direct, multi-level sales and the marketing support the Company can now dedicate to building on an already successful business model. It is targeting a total of 18 countries to augment its core sales in China.
EEIGI is currently developing an English version of it's website, which can be found at www.eeigi.com. Initial development has begun, however the quality of the translation is relatively inconsistent. One of the first tasks MonArc will undertake is to ensure that the English version of the website accurately depicts the EEIGI's products and services, and complies with North American, and eventually, European regulatory requirements.
Moving forward, EEIGI will be the primary operating business within MonArc. In keeping with the Company's new business model as a Small Cap Boutique Investment Group, MonArc will work with EEIGI management to begin to create awareness of EEIGI as a public company. We will be tasked with creating investor awareness and building investor interest in EEIGI. Our advisory services will include helping to grow the Company to the next level with sound financial planning and appropriate corporate strategies. When EEIGI is ready, MonArc management intention is to spin it off as a separate public company. Obviously, MonArc shareholders will be rewarded with dividends in the new company. It is also planed or anticipated that MONA investors will have the opportunity to see their investment grow through the addition of stock warrants or options once EEIGI stands on its own.
In other Company news, MonArc is continuing discussions regarding the sale of its Hubei Chuguan Industry Co. Ltd.position. This is an environmental services company active in the oil sector, as previously announced. Our representatives in China are walking Hubei Chuguan executives through a similar approach and spin off their Company as the second major project in the upcoming months. Due diligence is proceeding on course, and we are working with management to develop the final framework and timetable for this project.
MonArc is also continuing work with PP365.com an on line gaming company and (the current operating company in MONA) and Innotrek, (a broadband Hotel ISP) who have been making excellent progress in their respective businesses, but are not as mature as companies as EEIGI and Hubei Chuguan. Management is in discussion with several interested groups for these asssets.
MonArc CEO, Mr Yong Chan advises; "We feel that MonArc is on the verge of significant success. Special gratitude to Mr.Garr Winters MONA X CEO and the current Secretary and Strategic Advisor has been instrumental and pivotal in making all of this happen. He has been working overtime in the background to see this transformation and sucess come to a fruition. Not to take anything away from PP365 or Beijing Innotrek Technology Co., but EEIGI and Hubei Chuguan are on a different level in terms of maturity of the Company, scale of operations, revenue streams and profitability. However, we really like what these younger companies are achieving and have every confidence that they will have the ability to capitalize on their respective business opportunities and go on to great success within our company, and as individual public companies down the line.
Our work with them has been vital to MonArc as we have reshaped our corporate business model over the last year. We are extremely well positioned to continue to identify additional candidate companies in China who are already successful but need the benefit of our experience and guidance to capitalize on the benefits of being publicly traded companies. Shareholders can expect to receive an ongoing series of rewards in a form of cash or stock dividends and other instruments to leverage the potential for increased value of these companies; as we introduce them to public markets and transition them to trade under their own names".
The common shares of the Company are currently listed in the USA (symbol MONA) and the Frankfurt Stock Exchange (Xe:GZWM)
CONTACT: corporate@monacorporation.com
Safe Harbour Statement
Safe Harbor statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Certain forward information contained in this release contains forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainties, including but not limited to, those relating to development and expansion activities, domestic and global conditions, and market competition.
The above news release has been provided by the above company via the OTC Disclosure and News Service. Issuers of news releases and not Pink OTC Markets Inc. are solely responsible for the accuracy of such news releases.
http://www.pinksheets.com/pink/quote/quote.jsp?symbol=mona#getNews
Posted by: Bigdogs Date: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:56:04 AM
In reply to: hypehunter who wrote msg# 108839 Post # of 108850
Just saw the News out
Mona is working doubletime getting these great deals out to Mona shareholders.
This company has turned the corner and is on the verge of a major run.
Mona and Garr Winters are doing a fantastic job of bringing Excellent Growth China Oppts. into Mona.
This looks to me like this could hit .05 possibly today and .10 - .20 in the next few weeks.
50 million Buyback should absorb the daytraders and stabilize the stock price all the way up.
Bookmarks are exploding on Mona
Great day ahead for sure
Posted by: Bigdogs Date: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:58:09 AM
In reply to: hypehunter who wrote msg# 108839 Post # of 108850
So many great things in this PR.
MonArc CEO, Mr Yong Chan advises; "We feel that MonArc is on the verge of significant success. Special gratitude to Mr.Garr Winters MONA X CEO and the current Secretary and Strategic Advisor has been instrumental and pivotal in making all of this happen. He has been working overtime in the background to see this transformation and sucess come to a fruition. Not to take anything away from PP365 or Beijing Innotrek Technology Co., but EEIGI and Hubei Chuguan are on a different level in terms of maturity of the Company, scale of operations, revenue streams and profitability. However, we really like what these younger companies are achieving and have every confidence that they will have the ability to capitalize on their respective business opportunities and go on to great success within our company, and as individual public companies down the line
Posted by: hypehunter Date: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:09:17 AM
In reply to: Bigdogs who wrote msg# 108843 Post # of 108850
Really AWESOME things ongoing for MONA at present!!! WOWOWOWOSAAAAA! It`s a great feeling to be a shareholder of this outstanding company! I`m looking forward to these huge CASH-DIVIS! njamnjam
GLTYA!
+HH+
Posted by: hypehunter Date: Monday, September 08, 2008 6:57:06 AM
In reply to: Bigdogs who wrote msg# 108840 Post # of 108850
.05`s today??? .10 - .20 this week??? GO MONA, GO GARR, GO MINA MAR!
Posted by: Bigdogs Date: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:07:27 AM
In reply to: hypehunter who wrote msg# 108841 Post # of 108850
hypehunter
What is most intriguing about Mona is that both Mona and Garr Winters feel very strongly that this should be a .20 stock now based on the companies that they worked hard to get for MOna.
Now knowing that most longs in this stock may not sell many shares at all on the way up to .20 knowing that this looks to be worth at least that.
This will make it extremely hard for the MMs to shake the stock causing a massive spike all the way up. Shares are in very short supply and the daytraders and traders selling should easily be absorbed by new shareholders and also the 50 million buyback.
This is one very unique situation in that this stock looks to be 20x undervalued and selling may be much smaller than buying as we go towards .20.
Gonna be one whale of a week and anything is possible with this weeks trading. Would not be surprise to see .10 - .20 this week.
Too much momentum and people trying to get in.
Posted by: hypehunter Date: Monday, September 08, 2008 7:10:29 AM
In reply to: Bigdogs who wrote msg# 108844 Post # of 108850
100% agreed! First PPS-target per Garr: .20 US$!! .12 - .18 US$ (CASH-)DIVI per Garr per PR! Go MONA!
BTW: Ask in Germany/Frankfurt upticked to .015 Euro = 0.0213199 USD!
GLTYA!
+HH+
imho