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6928 Postings, 5664 Tage plusquamperfektWamu WKN 893906 News !

21.01.2009 20:36
WaMu asks court for more time to file bankruptcy plan

Jan 21 (Reuters) - Washington Mutual (News) has asked a U.S. bankruptcy court for a 90-day extension to file its Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan, according to court documents.

Washington Mutual had been the largest U.S. savings and loan before JPMorgan Chase&Co bought its banking assets for $1.9 billion in a deal arranged by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. The holding company for WaMu later filed for bankruptcy protection.

In a filing on Tuesday, WaMu said the seizure and subsequent sale of its assets by the FDIC to JPMorgan has significantly complicated what would otherwise be a straightforward restructuring or liquidation.

'That seizure and sale almost completely stripped the debtors (WaMu) of their employees and business records,' the filing said.

The company said FDIC's action caused significant uncertainty about the legal status of some of the its most significant assets, including several billions of dollars originally on deposit with Washington Mutual Bank.

WaMu said it was not seeking the extension to delay the Chapter 11 process or to pressure its creditors to accept an unfair plan.

The company also said it had made significant progress during the first three months of these cases and was now in the process of addressing a number of significant legal and economic issues affecting its assets and potential liabilities.

Such requests for extensions are common in large bankruptcy cases like this. Washington Mutual is the second-largest U.S. bankruptcy case in history, after Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc , according to Bankruptcydata.com, which tracks public company bankruptcy filings.

Unless extended, WaMu's plan period will expire on Jan. 24, the court filing said. A hearing on the matter is scheduled for Feb. 17.

(Reporting by Santosh Nadgir in Bangalore; Editing by Amitha Rajan) Keywords: WASHINGTONMUTUAL/

(santosh.nadgir@thomsonreuters.com; within U.S +1 646 223 8780; Outside U.S +91 080 4135 5800; Reuters messaging: santosh.nadgir.reuters.com@reuters.net)

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21.01.2009 20:36
WaMu bittet Gericht um mehr Zeit, Bankrottplan zu archivieren

21. Januar (Reuters) - gegenseitiges Washington (Nachrichten) hat ein US-Konkursgericht um eine 90 Tagesverlängerung gebeten, um seinen Bankrottplan des Kapitels 11, entsprechend Prozessakten zu archivieren.

Washington, das gegenseitig ist, war die größten US gewesen, die vor JPMorgan Chase&Co Spar- und Darlehens sind, das seine Vermögenswerte der Bank für $1.9 Milliarde in einem Abkommen gekauft wurde, das durch Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. geordnet wurde Die Dachgesellschaft für WaMu archivierte später für Bankrottschutz.

In einer Archivierung am Dienstag, sagte WaMu, dass die Ergreifung und der folgende Verkauf seiner Anlagegüter durch das FDIC zu JPMorgan erheblich erschwert hat, was anders eine direkte Umstrukturierung oder eine Verflüssigung von Vermögenswerten sein würde.

?Diese Ergreifung und Verkauf streiften fast vollständig die Schuldner (WaMu) von ihren Angestellten ab und Geschäftsakten,? die Archivierung sagten.

Die Firma sagte verursachte bedeutende Ungewissheit FDICS Tätigkeit über die rechtliche Stellung von einigen der seiner bedeutendsten Anlagegüter, einschließlich einige Milliarden Dollar ursprünglich auf Ablagerung bei Washington-gegenseitiger Bank.

WaMu sagte, dass es nicht die Verlängerung, um das Prozess Kapitel 11 zu verzögern suchte oder seine Gläubiger zu drücken, um einen unfairen Plan anzunehmen.

Die Firma sagte auch, dass sie bedeutenden Fortschritt während der ersten drei Monate dieser Fälle gebildet und jetzt bei dem Ansprechen einiger bedeutender zugelassener und ökonomischer Punkte war hatte, die sein Vermögen und möglichen Schulden beeinflussen.

Solches Ersuchen um Verlängerungen ist in den großen Bankrottfällen so allgemein. Gegenseitiges Washington ist der zweitgrösste US-Bankrottfall in der Geschichte, nach Lehman- Brothersholdings Inc., entsprechend Bankruptcydata.com, die AktiengesellschaftsAnträge auf Eröffnung des Konkursverfahrens aufspürt.

Es sei denn verlängert, WaMus läuft Planzeitraum am 24. Januar ab, sagte die Gerichtsarchivierung. Eine Hörfähigkeit auf der Angelegenheit wird für 17. Februar festgelegt.

(Bericht durch Santosh Nadgir in Bangalore; Redigieren durch Schlüsselwörter Amitharajan): WASHINGTONMUTUAL/

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1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50So funny

how things work when reversed.
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953 Postings, 3942 Tage sonifarisWhat do you want to communicate?

Hey Boy,
Why are you writing in the form of a REBUS?
Here it is useless and ineffective to indicate in subtext.
Or is it another matter?
What do you want to communicate?
Good Sunday  

17.01.21 10:52

1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50@sonfaris

....because PP's data-crunching is likely to produce an ambiguous answer....LoL  

21.01.21 10:16
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1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50The pro's with deep knowledge of a subject

I am not here for camaraderie or to have my opinions justified or validated.
I just enjoy listening to self- proclaimed stock pickers who live with their mom…..

I do however think it's hilarious when people (i.g. PP or Union) with such deep inside knowledge of a company,  try to share factual information, and you humpers dismiss it because you are apparently brilliant and "in the know" (^_^)

The unfortunate part is that some poor newbie will make the mistake of listening to your dribble and all of this to feed your fragile ego.

LoL & GN

I love you all  

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1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50Great guy

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953 Postings, 3942 Tage sonifarisHey liner.....As you are right

Yes you hit the nail on the head, this is exactly what I think, maybe not everything you said matches my opinion, but 90% you are right.

Greetings  

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1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50Alice

…so right away there is a question like - what the hell is Alice Griffin doing there?
this is so cringy!!
 

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goodietime Member Level   Tuesday, 07/20/21 11:27:04 AM
Re: BBANBOB post# 663804 0
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This older post. Seems to state, 'ONLY CASH' comes back. NO shares.


wwhatthe Saturday, 12/24/16 04:32:54 AM
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Just a little Research and all IMHO…




In my previous post (POST # 460263) …I said,

“I didn’t see WMIH receiving any Distribution from the WMI Liquidating Trust”…
link to POST# 460263

That post was a little long, so I didn’t get into the details... I’ll do that now…

I’m an investor like everyone else here, searching for facts and trying to decipher what is true and what is not true or what’s possible and what’s not possible…

First let me say,
Any assertion or theory must fit and be stated, and expressed in words somewhere with in THE PLAN.

The WAMU Bankruptcy is ruled by its Purchase & Assumption Agreement and GSA, and the Liquidating Trust was created around this Agreement.
The question and answer segment in the liquidating trust agreement not only deals with tax matters but is also a short summary of the WAMU Bankruptcy.

This is how I see it… ALL IMHO…

I have 3 Question…. Which are basically the same…

Q1 - Will 2.5% of the WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST cash distribution go to WMIH?…
As in the equation “ 75%, 22.5%, 2.5% “…

Q2 - Will WMIIC or WMIH receive assets from the WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST?

Q3 - Can WMIH purchase or trade WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST Assets with WMIH shares?


Let me start with the meaning of Debtor, which is “someone who created or owes a debt”,

It’s obvious, so bear with me for a moment…it’s important and I’ll come back to this later.

From Investopedia: A debtor is a company or individual who owes money. If the debt is in the form of a loan from a financial institution, the debtor is referred to as a borrower, and if the debt is in the form of securities, such as bonds, the debtor is referred to as an issuer. Legally, someone who files a voluntary petition to declare bankruptcy is also considered a debtor.

Who are the Debtors…?

From page 1 of the P&A Agreement (link at Bottom)…
Washington Mutual Inc. and WMI Investment Corp. as debtors and debtors in possession (Collectively, the Debtors)…

And… From an 8K Report …
Reorganized WMI (now known as WMI Holdings Corp. (WMIH)… (“Reorganized WMI”))…

Just to be clear,
WMI is a debtor,
WMI Investment Corp. is a debtor,
WMI Holdings Corp. or WMIH is a debtor…(the reorganized debtor)


Now…Defining the Assets…
From question #2 in the FAQ’s (link at Bottom)

2) What are the Liquidating Trust Assets?
The assets that are to be held and distributed by the Liquidating Trust (the “Liquidating
Trust Assets”) comprise all of the assets of Washington Mutual, Inc. (“WMI”) and WMI Investment Corp.) Other than:

a) Cash to be distributed by the Reorganized Debtors, pursuant to the Plan as Disbursing Agent to holders of Allowed Administrative Expense Claims
b) Cash necessary to pay the fees and expenses owed…
c) Cash necessary to reimburse the Reorganized Debtors for fees and expenses…
d) Creditor Cash on the Effective Date; and

e) The equity interests in (i) WMI Investment (all the assets of which shall be
Contributed to the Liquidating Trust, including any Intercompany Claims),

So all of WMI and WMIIC assets are held by the Liquidating Trust and are now the Liquidating Trust Assets…except The equity interests in WMI Investment Corp (WMIIC), which is now a empty shell, with no Assets no liabilities or Debt. And we know now, it will be returned to the reorganized debtor (WMIH) and will be dissolved.

All of the Assets and assets within Assets are held by the Liquidating Trust… but belong to the owners of the WAMU Estate… Who are also… The Beneficiaries of the Trust…

“This bring up the question, Is WMIH or WMIIC a Liquidating Trust Beneficiary.”.

The next 3 excerpts show us that all of the Liquidating Trust Assets will be converted to cash…and distributed to the “Liquidating Trust Beneficiaries”


From Question #1 (FAQ’s)

1) What is the WMI Liquidating Trust?
WMI Liquidating Trust (the “Liquidating Trust”) serves as a mechanism for liquidating, Converting to cash and distributing the Liquidating Trust Assets to the holders of beneficial interests in the Liquidating Trust (the “Liquidating
Trust Beneficiaries”).

And…
From page 4 of the WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST AGREEMENT (EXECUTION VERSION) (link at bottom)

It states…
1.5 Liquidation of Liquidating Trust Assets. The Liquidating Trustee shall, in an expeditious but commercially reasonable manner and subject to the provisions of the Plan (including, without limitation, Section 31.14 of the Plan), the Confirmation Order and the other provisions of this Trust Agreement, liquidate and convert to Cash the Liquidating Trust Assets, make timely distributions in accordance with the terms hereof and the Plan and not unduly prolong the existence of the Liquidating Trust. The Liquidating Trustee shall exercise reasonable business judgment and liquidate the Liquidating Trust Assets to maximize net recoveries;

And…
From page 51 of the P&A Agreement (link at bottom)

QQQ) Distributions to claimants will be made in cash, liquidating trust interest that represent the right to receive future cash distributions from the liquidating trust and, in certain circumstances, runoff notes and/or reorganized common stock.

(We received our reorganized common stock, now we’re waiting on our cash distributions…)

The first excerpt says…
Converting to cash and distributing the Liquidating Trust Assets to the holders of beneficial interests in the Liquidating Trust (the “Liquidating
Trust Beneficiaries”).

So from here…
We know the Liquidating Trust Assets are being converted to cash. We also know WMIH is a Reorganized Debtor and WMIIC is a Debtor…

Here…
From page 4 of the WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST AGREEMENT (EXECUTION VERSION) (link at bottom)

It states…
1.6 No Reversion to Debtors. In no event shall any part of the Liquidating Trust Assets revert to or be distributed to any Debtor or Reorganized Debtor.

So… WMIH is the Reorganized Debtor and WMIIC is a Debtor…
The term “revert” means to return, or go back…
The term “In no event” means that it is not possible in any way or form or in any case…

They’re talking about the “Liquidating Trust Assets”

Let’s read it again…
In no event shall any part of the Liquidating Trust Assets revert to or be distributed to any Debtor or Reorganized Debtor.

This means…
According to the PURCHASE AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENT,
And the WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST AGREEMENT…After the Debts have been paid…

THE ONLY LIQUIDATING TRUST BENEFICIARIES ARE THE EQUITY ESCROW HOLDERS…
And not the Reorganized Debtor, WMIH… Or the Debtor, WMIIC…

So the answers are… All IMHO…
Q1, The answer is no…WMIH is the reorganized Debtors…WMIH will not receive a 2.5% cash distribution from the Liquidating Trust Assets…

The 2.5% in the equation 75% 22.5% 2.5% is incorrect…and shouldn’t be in this equation at all…All of the Trust Assets are being converted to cash and no part of the Liquidating Trust Assets will be distributed to any Debtor or Reorganized Debtor (now known as WMIH).
(The next excerpt helps confirm this)

We do know WMIH will and has received Litigation Proceeds, like in the
D&O Litigation.

In the next excerpt… it says Reorganized WMI will retain an economic interest in, the Litigation Proceeds, only if the Litigation Proceeds are not part of the Liquidating Trust Assets…

Here From page 13,14…WMI Liquidating Trust
September 2016 Quarterly Summary Report – UNAUDITED (link at bottom)

It states…
…As a result, each creditor making such an election conveyed, and Reorganized WMI retained an economic interest in, the Litigation Proceeds (and such proceeds do not constitute part of the Liquidating Trust Assets)…

This demonstrates that WMIH will receive Litigation Proceeds only from Litigation’s that do not involve the Liquidating Trust Assets…

This is because “In no event shall any part of the Liquidating Trust Assets revert to or be distributed to any Debtor or Reorganized Debtor”.

So…If the Reorganized Debtor WMIH, cannot receive a cash distribution or proceeds from a Litigation that involves the Liquidating Trust Assets…

Then… The Reorganized Debtor WMIH, cannot receive a 2.5% cash distribution from the same… Liquidating Trust Assets…
It’s the same source… The same principle and limitations apply…

Which means 2.5% of the Liquidating Trust Assets will not go to the Reorganized Debtor, WMIH…

This leaves us with 75% and 25%…, Which I will leave for my next post…

Next Question…
Q2, IMHO The answer is no…WMIH and WMIIC are Debtors…WMIH and/or WMIIC will not receive Liquidating Trust Assets from the Liquidating Trust…

The Assets are owned by the WAMU Estate and were only managed by the Debtors. All of the Liquidating Trust Assets are being converted to cash, and after the debt has been paid. Anything left over will go to the owners of the WAMU Estate… which are the equity escrow holders… And are the only TRUST BENEFICIARIES

The new reorganized company WMIH, will start over with new assets and new acquisitions… The old assets belong to the old Equity holders while the new assets will belong to the new Equity holders…

This brings us to Question 3, Can WMIH purchase or trade WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST Assets with WMIH shares?

For the LIQUIDATING TRUST this would be a trade… They would be trading the BENEFICIARIES Liquidating Trust Assets for WMIH stock.
The Trust Agreement prevents and forbids such a trade…

From Question #1 (FAQ’s)
It states…
The Liquidating Trust will not continue, nor engage in at any time, the
Conduct of any trade or business other than the liquidation and distribution of the Liquidating Trust Assets, and is intended to qualify as a “liquidating trust” for federal income tax purposes under applicable Treasury regulations.

Here where it says “nor engage in at any time, the Conduct of any trade or business”, This would prevent and forbid such a trade from occurring…

It’s the Liquidating Trust that doesn’t have the authority and is prohibited from such a trade. The Liquidating Trustee is required to liquidate the Liquidating Trust Assets to maximize net recoveries… A trade for WMIH shares would be problematic and risky…

And the only way to be fair and reasonable is to liquidate the Trust Assets, turning them into cash and distribute the cash…

Also…The term “In no event” would include and prohibits a trade of, Liquidating Trust Assets for WMIH shares…. The Liquidating Trustee is forbidden to negotiate such a trade. His job is to liquidate and convert to Cash the Liquidating Trust Assets and distribute the cash to the TRUST BENEFICIARIES.
This means convert to cash and not to shares…

(And QQQ states… cash not shares)
QQQ) Distributions to claimants will be made in cash…

So the answer to question 3…
Q3, IMHO The answer is no…the assets must be converted to cash and not shares…WMIH can not purchase or trade WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST Assets for WMIH shares…

In no event shall any part of the Liquidating Trust Assets revert to or be distributed to any Debtor or Reorganized Debtor.

This is all from the PURCHASE AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENT,
And the WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST AGREEMENT
All IMHO…
No 2.5% cash distribution going to WMIH…
No Assets going to WMIIC or WMIH…
No Trading… Liquidating Trust Assets for WMIH shares…

The plan is to liquidate and convert to Cash the Liquidating Trust Assets…, which I believe most of the Assets and all of the properties/mortgages went (were sold) to JPMC. Then the plan is to pay off the debt and distribute the remaining cash to the TRUST BENEFICIARIES…

JPMC paid BookValue for all of WAMU’s Assets…, which would be Billions of Dollars. Anything that was WAMU is now a Subsidiary of JPMorgan Chase…

This is how I see it… It’s stated… fits… and expressed in words… directly from the PURCHASE AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENT, And the WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST AGREEMENT and… It looks like it’s the PLAN…

GLTA… Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year…




Jimmy…
Jimmy Christmas


Just my opinion, research and curiosity…
Not intended to serve as a basis for investment in any security of any issuer. GLTA


PURCHASE AND ASSUMPTION AGREEMENT
WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ’s)
WMI LIQUIDATING TRUST AGREEMENT (EXECUTION VERSION)
WMI Liquidating Trust September 2016 Quarterly Summary Report – UNAUDITED
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goodietime Member Level Dienstag, 20.07.21 11:27:04 AM
Re: BBANBOB Beitrag# 663804 0
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Dieser ältere Beitrag. Scheint zu besagen, dass 'NUR CASH' zurückkommt. KEINE Aktien.


wwhatthe Samstag, 12/24/16 04:32:54 AM
Re: Keine 0
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Nur eine kleine Recherche und alles IMHO...
Part 1
Part 2 volgt  NO O O O O O O O O OOOOOO !!  

23.07.21 21:49
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1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50just came across

.....this Message-Board  while watching other scam posts on iHub
keep up the great work guys. LoL  

30.08.21 20:30

1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50tried calling you on your "housephone"

but there is nobody at home....
Assume your roaming the city LoL  

19.09.21 21:32
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1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50ask hedge fund manager Martin Shkreli LoL

19.09.21 23:55
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1205 Postings, 4102 Tage liner50He gets back on duty oct-22`

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